I think the latter group is winning the argument. Take the simplistic scenario that the gene PLV specifies formation of the pelvis in mammals. Sorry, but no amount of chatter about “many routes “, “parallel adaptations” changes the utter implausibility of that occurring via unguided natural processes in less than ten million years. http://www.evolutionnews.org/2.....67021.html, Scientific study turns understanding about evolution on its head – July 30, 2013 However, technically, the two metaphysical views have different testing “qualities”. Anthropic No amount of explanation, discussion, logic or evidence can convince the committed materialist that something is designed, so long as he clings to his incomplete paradigm which does not permit that possibility.
–, Also, natural selection is a process of elimination. Evolution is a non falsifiable theory and that is why I left it 5 years ago. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRqdvhL3pgM, Whale Evolution?
Heads – I win. Whales no longer require these hip bones, and have almost lost them.
Because of this and other evidence, William King Gregory concluded in his Encyclopedia Britannica article, "that the Cetacea have been derived from terrestrial, quadrupedal placentals." I think the evidence from the fossil record and from embryology is clear: the fluke evolved from the tail and the hindlimbs dissappeared. There are also several reflexes and behaviors that are considered to be vestigial. And also please provide details of the genetic information responsible for these structures so we can determine that they don’t perform other vital functions. The same would be true for the formation of the hindlimb. The video seems to be saying the fossils are frauds. At 43 million years on average to achieve two coordinated mutations, the odds are prohibitive that all the coordinated mutations necessary (dozens, hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands) to turn a cow like critter into a whale would occur and become fixed in the population in less than 10 million years. Early forms seemed clumsy compared to whales and dolphins can suffer from decompression sickness. There is a beautiful series of transitional fossils that show the transformation of a land-dwelling artiodactyl to a fully aquatic whale. Museums should now remove all of the altered skeletons, skulls and drawings since the most important parts of these ‘walking whales’ are admittedly made up. If you say the designer had to include that bone thats outright false. And so I now doubt that Rodhocetus would have had a fluke tail.” “The alternative splicing patterns are very different even between humans and chimpanzees,” said Blencowe.,,, In evolutionary terms, that’s not far off from the fossils of even older proto-whales from 53 million years ago that have been found,,, Please read this post even though it is a tad long. 1. Different breathing apparatus. The middle ear canals come from the second pouches, and the parathyroid and thymus glands come from the third and fourth. Découvrez comment nous utilisons vos informations dans notre Politique relative à la vie privée et notre Politique relative aux cookies. The problem is that the qualification (vestigial but functional) takes all the punch out of the claim that vestigial organs demonstrate explicitly unguided (Darwinian) evolution.
At What Point In Its Development Can a Human Being Feel Pain? We present two main findings: 1) males from species with relatively intense sexual selection (inferred by relative testes size) have evolved relatively large penises and pelvic bones compared to their body size, and 2) pelvic bone shape diverges more quickly in species pairs that have diverged in inferred mating system. I guess the embryology is on par with humans demonstrating tails, egg yolk sacs and slotted gills in embryology too. Also there isn’t any evidence that genomes determine the form. But it appears that’s not the case,” said Matthew Dean, assistant professor at the USC Dornsife College of Letters, Arts and Sciences, and co-corresponding author of a paper on the research that was published online by Evolution on Sept. 3. Have questions or comments? The Actual Evidence – video – fraudulent fossils revealed “Yet another in the long, long line of alleged “vestigial” organs that have bitten the dust. Excerpt: We could have found that the main whale lineages over time each experimented with being large, small and medium-sized and that all the dietary forms appeared throughout their evolution, or that whales started out medium-sized and the largest and smallest ones appeared more recently—but the data show none of that. Of course a designer may follow a pattern of design for aesthetic reasons, a global harmony if you will. Some of the mistakes hes makes are: Male genitalia evolve rapidly, probably as a result of sexual selection. Mammals have a placenta so they dont need yoke, but they still have a yolk sac. “There is a beautiful series of transitional fossils that show the transformation of a land-dwelling artiodactyl to a fully aquatic whale. So the fossil record is kind of backwards from what you would expect from in that sense from what you would expect from Darwin’s ideas.” Expectation of the theistic view (not a theist, but the view itself) is the lack (or small number, I can explain that if you’d like) vestigial organs. Eric Anderson More to the point, our eperience tells us that the way natural selection builds is utterly different than the way designers build. “Anyone, anyone” (Gould, Nature, Vol.377, 26 10/95, p.682). They havent lost the entire network because a rudimentary pelvis does form. After all, given the chance of returning to the sea why did these creatures both assume such a similar design? about the series of fossil of the wale evolution. In this way, the concept of a vestigial trait is reduced to meaninglessness. The muscles that control a cetacean’s penis — which has a high degree of mobility — attach directly to its pelvic bones. Follow me @d_klinghoffer. ID proponents also recognize that designed things get old, fall into disuse, break down, etc.
And if so, of what use is the word?" http://vimeo.com/30932397, The Unknown Origin of Pterosaurs – video
–, Also, natural selection is a process of elimination. Evolution is a non falsifiable theory and that is why I left it 5 years ago. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRqdvhL3pgM, Whale Evolution?
Heads – I win. Whales no longer require these hip bones, and have almost lost them.
Because of this and other evidence, William King Gregory concluded in his Encyclopedia Britannica article, "that the Cetacea have been derived from terrestrial, quadrupedal placentals." I think the evidence from the fossil record and from embryology is clear: the fluke evolved from the tail and the hindlimbs dissappeared. There are also several reflexes and behaviors that are considered to be vestigial. And also please provide details of the genetic information responsible for these structures so we can determine that they don’t perform other vital functions. The same would be true for the formation of the hindlimb. The video seems to be saying the fossils are frauds. At 43 million years on average to achieve two coordinated mutations, the odds are prohibitive that all the coordinated mutations necessary (dozens, hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands) to turn a cow like critter into a whale would occur and become fixed in the population in less than 10 million years. Early forms seemed clumsy compared to whales and dolphins can suffer from decompression sickness. There is a beautiful series of transitional fossils that show the transformation of a land-dwelling artiodactyl to a fully aquatic whale. Museums should now remove all of the altered skeletons, skulls and drawings since the most important parts of these ‘walking whales’ are admittedly made up. If you say the designer had to include that bone thats outright false. And so I now doubt that Rodhocetus would have had a fluke tail.” “The alternative splicing patterns are very different even between humans and chimpanzees,” said Blencowe.,,, In evolutionary terms, that’s not far off from the fossils of even older proto-whales from 53 million years ago that have been found,,, Please read this post even though it is a tad long. 1. Different breathing apparatus. The middle ear canals come from the second pouches, and the parathyroid and thymus glands come from the third and fourth. Découvrez comment nous utilisons vos informations dans notre Politique relative à la vie privée et notre Politique relative aux cookies. The problem is that the qualification (vestigial but functional) takes all the punch out of the claim that vestigial organs demonstrate explicitly unguided (Darwinian) evolution.
At What Point In Its Development Can a Human Being Feel Pain? We present two main findings: 1) males from species with relatively intense sexual selection (inferred by relative testes size) have evolved relatively large penises and pelvic bones compared to their body size, and 2) pelvic bone shape diverges more quickly in species pairs that have diverged in inferred mating system. I guess the embryology is on par with humans demonstrating tails, egg yolk sacs and slotted gills in embryology too. Also there isn’t any evidence that genomes determine the form. But it appears that’s not the case,” said Matthew Dean, assistant professor at the USC Dornsife College of Letters, Arts and Sciences, and co-corresponding author of a paper on the research that was published online by Evolution on Sept. 3. Have questions or comments? The Actual Evidence – video – fraudulent fossils revealed “Yet another in the long, long line of alleged “vestigial” organs that have bitten the dust. Excerpt: We could have found that the main whale lineages over time each experimented with being large, small and medium-sized and that all the dietary forms appeared throughout their evolution, or that whales started out medium-sized and the largest and smallest ones appeared more recently—but the data show none of that. Of course a designer may follow a pattern of design for aesthetic reasons, a global harmony if you will. Some of the mistakes hes makes are: Male genitalia evolve rapidly, probably as a result of sexual selection. Mammals have a placenta so they dont need yoke, but they still have a yolk sac. “There is a beautiful series of transitional fossils that show the transformation of a land-dwelling artiodactyl to a fully aquatic whale. So the fossil record is kind of backwards from what you would expect from in that sense from what you would expect from Darwin’s ideas.” Expectation of the theistic view (not a theist, but the view itself) is the lack (or small number, I can explain that if you’d like) vestigial organs. Eric Anderson More to the point, our eperience tells us that the way natural selection builds is utterly different than the way designers build. “Anyone, anyone” (Gould, Nature, Vol.377, 26 10/95, p.682). They havent lost the entire network because a rudimentary pelvis does form. After all, given the chance of returning to the sea why did these creatures both assume such a similar design? about the series of fossil of the wale evolution. In this way, the concept of a vestigial trait is reduced to meaninglessness. The muscles that control a cetacean’s penis — which has a high degree of mobility — attach directly to its pelvic bones. Follow me @d_klinghoffer. ID proponents also recognize that designed things get old, fall into disuse, break down, etc.
And if so, of what use is the word?" http://vimeo.com/30932397, The Unknown Origin of Pterosaurs – video